The Body Snatchers

The Mormon church has formally asked its members to stop baptizing dead celebrities, Jews and others who aren’t connected to a church member. Having been lampooned by everyone from Stephen Colbert to the folks behind this website, the LDS church has been mocked pretty thoroughly for its practice of baptizing the dead, and I suspect that’s one reason why church leaders are telling their members to cool it.

But not everyone is laughing. Among those not amused: the father of murdered journalist Daniel Pearl. Pearl was baptized by an Idaho Mormon congregation last year, without informing the family. Judea Pearl is now asking the LDS church leadership to void these baptisms:

Pearl said he was considering rallying a group of Jewish leaders to send the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a stern message:

Stop performing unauthorized posthumous baptisms of Jewish people — and nullify any of those that have been performed.

Since learning of the baptism, which occurred in Idaho last summer, Pearl said no one from the church had contacted him to apologize for the ceremony, which is common practice in the Mormon faith.

The purpose of the sacrament is to ensure that ancestors can join church members in the afterlife.

The practice has long stirred controversy, leading to a 1995 agreement between Jewish leaders and the Mormon Church that was supposed to prevent the baptisms of Holocaust victims.

It’s a bad idea to mock any religion for their specific beliefs, because any religious belief looks ridiculous to a non-believer. But this posthumous baptism stuff really crosses the line. It’s offensive and disrespectful to the living, as well as the dead.

I’ve given a lot of thought to this stuff because I’m pretty sure my Mormon relatives baptized my mother posthumously. Oh, they never asked me, mind you. It’s all a big secret. But judging by the probing questions one relative asked, including the spelling of names, birth dates and the way this information was recorded in a little pocket notebook, I’m pretty sure that’s what was going on. At the time I just naively thought it was weird, but later when I learned more about the Mormon religion, a big ol’ lightbult went off. I have to say, it kinda pissed me off.

This was all years ago, but I’ve spent a lot of time trying to figure out why it should even matter. It’s not like I believe that stuff, right? If they want to do their little ceremony, why should I care?

But I do. First of all, this side of the family has never even met my parents. Why would they be so concerned about where they spend the afterlife? What makes them think they’d even want to spend the afterlife with my folks — especially my martini-swilling, chain-smoking, blue-streak cussing mother? I’m pretty sure she’d turn their celestial kingdom into celestial hell faster than you can say “offa my cloud.”

Really what bugs me is that no one ever asked. They just do it. Temple rites are supposed to be super-secret, and tolerant non-Mormons are supposed to honor others’ sacred traditions by not being nosy and asking prying questions like, “did you posthumously baptize my dead mother?” But I’m sorry, this respect for privacy stuff is a two-way street. You’ve lost the right to have your super-secret temple rites respected when you started snatching my dead relatives and claiming them for your own. It’s beyond disrespectful, it’s predatory. It feels like a violation. It’s certainly a gross breach of boundaries.

Mormons have baptized all kinds of people: President Obama’s mother, Anne Frank, Princess Diana and Mitt Romney’s atheist father-in-law, who went to his grave saying he thought religion was a crock (here’s a more thorough list of dead people who have been baptized. Shockingly, this includes Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. Adolf fucking Hitler? Really???).

Walter Kirn, one of my favorite authors, was raised a Mormon. He weighs in on the suspicion the Mormon religion engenders, writing:

It’s not just the right that has taken to casting stones; this is one Lottery that welcomes everyone. The editor of Salon, Joan Walsh, a pillar of cafe latte West Coast humanism who doesn’t often find common cause with Darwin-denying Folgers drinkers, chimed in a few days ago, on Twitter, with her own sour remarks on Mormonism. “Romney’s saving the soul of America,” she quipped, attracting much chirpy approval from her flock, “so he doesn’t have to baptize us after we’re dead.” This flabby jab at the Mormon temple rite that seeks to redeem non-Mormons’ departed souls via rounds of in-absentia dunking (the ritual’s critics seem to be divided between those who find it hugely silly and those who fear it actually works) followed another Tweet by a New York Times wag that snarled about Romney’s “magic underwear.” When urban liberals give themselves permission to join their toothy brethren from the hills in gathering at night on enemies’ lawns, they like to make the mob laugh first, if they can. No luck so far. They’ll just have to keep at it.

Fair enough. Laughing at Mitt Romney’s “magic underwear” may be a cheap shot, but here’s the thing: when your religion starts involving me and my dead people? Then you’ve crossed the line. The deal in this country has always been: believe what you want, but don’t force your beliefs on anyone else. And whenever we get into trouble in this country it’s always because one group is trying to impose its religious beliefs on those who don’t believe the same thing.

I’m not going to get upset at what any particular religious person believes, all I ask is that you leave me and my family out of it. If the Mormon church can’t convert people while they’re alive on earth, then you folks are just going to have to call it a loss.

So, this nullification thing? This shouldn’t just be for Jews and dead celebrities. It should be for everybody.

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22 Responses to The Body Snatchers

  1. I’m sorry but I can’t help imagining a Kafka-esque scenario in which some poor soul, caught in an endless cycle of baptisms and nullifications, is shuttled endlessly back and forth between heaven and hell.

    Have a good Sunday.

  2. Romney has admitted performing unauthorized, posthumous baptisms himself (no longer since he’s “running for office, fer Pete’s sake!”), so he was fair game for Walsh’s comment, in my opinion. Moreover, his participation in controversial LDS church activities deserves as much scrutiny as Barack Obama’s attendance at Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    “If the Mormon church can’t convert people while they’re alive on earth, then you folks are just going to have to call it a loss.”

    Well said.

  3. I don’t understand this Mormon practice. I frown at people who bash religions other than their own, but this time, I think the Mormons deserve the bashing.

    • Yeah, I avoided organized religion for 40 years because of the major religions being so hypocritical in trying to ‘save’ souls to their own denomination while at the same time hiding their own cruelty to women and children. With the Mormon sect, I know women and one young man who have been hurt, disrespected and shunned for marrying a non-Mormon, and the back story of still allowing polygamy in private. I don’t judge anyone, but I have heard enough about Romney’s ‘religion’, facts, that I do not their beliefs that treat women with total disrespect.

  4. Barack Obama never held any position equivalent to Mittunswillard’s various LSD Moron positions.

    Anyone who defends their religion’s odious and disrespectful practices on the grounds of their being “belief” based gets no slack from me.

    Romney’s a piece of shit hypocrite and serial opportunist. I’d like to see the inside of his houses to see how much really fine bubbly and still wine he has in them.

  5. Charles

    Frankly, I have no patience for people that believe utter nonsense. If you want to believe in magic underwear or pregnant virgins or pedophiles in funny hats, you should be prepared for others to call you a crazy nut. If you keep these dumb ideas to yourself then no one will be the wiser, but if you run for public office, voters have a right to know how you make decisions and whether you have a track record of ignoring facts in favor of wacked out beliefs.

  6. James Pope

    Thanks to my Mormon-convert great grandmother I know everyone’s probably on the list for these sorts of things over here. That intense woman didn’t speak much to me when she was alive, probably because I was ten, but her Mormonism got discussed in detail once I was older and she was dead. Sometimes it even popped up with weird, well-dressed and uncomfortable looking Mormon fellows trying to track down relatives from a list sometimes. So I’ve been thinking about this sort of crap for decades now, especially since coming full circle a bunch of completely unrelated folks in my life have decided to become Mormons for various reasons.

    Personally I don’t believe in any sort of religion, and once I’m dead I personally won’t be around to give to cents about people posthumously doing things over my corpse. Burn it, bury it, have sex with it? Don’t care. On the other hand, I’ve got creepy intense religious sorts on my side of the family that might survive me. I’d like to think that my daughter who’s a different religion than my father who’s a different religion than my grandmother who’s a different religion than a bunch of idiots who’ve never known me outside of a listing in a directory maintaining charts in a Tabernacle; I hope those folks all get along mostly. Even if I think it’s all bullshit on everyone’s part. It won’t matter to me anymore than it would matter if they were all having intense “prayer circles” or something for my living soul. I might think it’s all a waste of time, but I think religion is a waste of time: People are allowed to waste their time however they like, and however they like with religion as an atheist I just hope they don’t use stuff like this as an excuse to be bastards to each other.

    Really. People seem to look for excuses to be bastards to each other, and sometimes I think it’s important to let it go.

  7. SB, I can see a great, but evil, analogy here…but with one major difference.
    On one side there are those arrogant SOBs who assume they are saving souls of the dead who just might not want to be saved, like your dear Mom, with whom I can relate in more ways than one.
    And on the other side are those screwed up, ‘conservative’ evangelicals who assume, wrongly, that we females are just waiting with baited breath, for their old white males to rule our lives, climb into our bodies and ‘save us from being ‘sluts’ for taking the Pill.

  8. If your mother wasn’t a Mormon in life, why would she make that mistake in death? The Mormons do say that the deceased can decline the baptism. In your position I would find comfort knowing my mother would tell the Mormons to keep their planet.

  9. “Really. People seem to look for excuses to be bastards to each other, and sometimes I think it’s important to let it go.”

    Because it’s a violation of the spirit of someone who’s passed AND their surviving loved ones.

    I won’t have much of an estate, pity. If I was quite wealthy I would fund a foundation to hunt down and punish assholes who baptize dead people, especially when they have surviving family and loved ones.

    If you can’t get enough people to join your pet delusional fantasy in life, let it go.

    • James Pope

      Again, I don’t believe in any afterlife whatsoever. So for me it’s more about delusional people doing delusional things to dead people who couldn’t care less because anything of substance of that person has passed. There are plenty of things Mormons do institutionally to living people to fault them on, I’m simply more in favor of waving away this particular crackpot notion and focusing on those.

      As an atheist, people “pray for me” all the time, presumably because by not sustaining their mythology I’ve done a horrible, horrible thing. I could get into a frothing Santorum about such things, or I can choose to ignore it until they decide that I must pray with them (or their prayers have determined that they’re allowed to be some sort of dick that really impacts my life.) It’s better to simply ignore it, in my opinion, because since they’re wrong they’re wrong. They’re not doing anything to anyone because they’re wrong. They’re simply being douchebags wasting their own time, which is always better than douchebags wasting MY time.

  10. So, how do the logistics of these after death baptisms work? It’s theologically very confusing to me. If the dead person is in Hell, do they suddenly get transported to heaven? If not, why bother with the baptism? You’re saved, but you’re still in Hell doesn’t seem right.

    They had been previously judged by an omnipotent and omniscient Creator. Since there’s that omnipotence, it ought to be easy to undo the punishment, but if there’s omniscience involved, wouldn’t the Creator have known this was going to happen in advance? Does this mean there’s like a future Mormon holding pen near Hell, so to speak?

    • ThresherK

      How does it work?

      For the soul in question, who knows?

      For the Mormon performing it, I can only assume that they accrue them and trade them in for prizes, as one would skee-ball tickets.

  11. How the hell do you baptize a dead person? Flood their grave with a hose for three days?

    Demo,

    What do you have against acidheads? That really hurts.

    • They baptize by proxy. Someone else “stands in” for the dead person and does the dunking. But the dead person’s name, birth date, etc. are “sealed” in the temple.

      I’ve never heard that the dead person has a chance to “opt out” later .. I’m not even sure how that’s possible.

      • I cried the day I was baptized. Oddly, I had been missed as an infant. Surely not the norm for the Presbyterian church. Mom was a baby in Tulsa Oklahoma. Her name and that of Uncle Jim are still to be found in the cradle roll there.

        I was an American Baptist at the time. Thirty-three years old. And I wanted to be baptized. I was dunked. The pastor had a strong arm and a special technique.

        If some fucking Mormon tried to baptize me into their unholy and blaspheming cult, Jesus and Elijah would raise me from the dead just to kick their puppy asses!

      • I didn’t get baptized until I was 40 years old. I got missed as an infant too, cuz my parents were godless heathens. Not really, they just didn’t see the point. I didn’t get dunked, I got baptized in the Presbyterian church and they just put a small handful of water on your head. It was kind of a big deal.

        I remember when the Southern Baptists decided to spend one summer in Salt Lake City trying to convert the Mormons there, seems like every year they’d pick a city and go door to door trying to spread the good news to the godless heathens. Pretty sure the Mormons in Salt Lake were like, “amateurs!”

  12. Randy

    “You’re saved, but you’re still in Hell doesn’t seem right.”-jim voorhies

    Unfortunately for one to live in the USA one must become adapted to this condition. Presidential primaries seem to be the epitome of the idea.

    • The whole problem, as I see it, is what the survivors believe about heaven and hell. The souls of the dead are already where they are going to be…forever. And most of us do not know what the Book of Mormon says about heaven…heck, I don’t want my soul to end up with their Angel Moroni forever! And it is very unsettling for survivors of those saved ‘again’ that their devout Christian Granny could end up with a Mormon man and his 5 wives in Mormon heaven….just sayin’.

  13. “Demo,

    What do you have against acidheads? That really hurts.”

    Sorry, that is insufficient data for me to compute.

    James Pope:

    I’m an atheist. I am unsure what happens to people’s “minds” when they die, I’m comfortable with ‘nothingness” being the answer. What I am NOT comfortable with is some asshole or group of assholes doing something that is going to upset the surviving members of a decedent’s family. To me it’s not a great deal different than what Filthy Freddie Phelps and his WBC do at soldier’s funerals–and deserves as much derision and condemnation.

  14. PurpleGirl

    They.\’ve even baptized Gandhi… Gandhi. His grandson is royally pissed and plans on taking them to court.