How Are Those 2nd Amendment Remedies Workin’ For Ya?

Another mentally unbalanced nutter with a criminal record legally gets his hands on a gun and goes on a rampage. Just another day in the Wild West.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said it all:

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous,” the sheriff said. “And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

Four days ago an armed man barricaded himself in an Arizona mall with hostages. And back in April Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into a law a bill allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Oops.

But let’s look at the big picture. Southern Arizona’s largest employer is Raytheon Missile Systems, Arizona’s largest defense contractor.

Live by the gun, die by the gun. As without, so within. As in the macrocosm, so in the microcosm.

We spread violence around the world with our wars for oil, we spread violent rhetoric around the country on talk radio, we have leaders putting political rivals in crosshairs and candidates calling for “Second Amendment remedies.” Our children play violent video games and we watch acts of violence as entertaintment. We are a culture ruled by violence.

So don’t act so fucking surprised, America. This was entirely predictable.

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17 responses to “How Are Those 2nd Amendment Remedies Workin’ For Ya?

  1. >Too bad FOX news didn't tell the shooter that GDP for the first quarter of 2010 was higher than at any time during the Bush presidency.With GDP soon to exceed 15 trillion dollars, just how much gold do the rabble rousers expect us to bury in the ground under Fort Knox? What can we use to pay for it? Should we just keep digging and stripping Mother Earth?

  2. >Read the shooter's YouTube home page entry. Seems two of his favorite books are 'Mein Kamph' and 'Communist Manifesto'. And an ex-band member posted on her Twitter that he was left-leaning. Oh, and he used an Obama icon as his avatar on his MySpace.Oh, and Giffords was a blue-dog Democrat. We know how you lefties love those.So, seems the shooter is much closer to being Left than Right.

  3. >Yeah Mein Kampf is totally a LIBERAL booK! We all read it at our Democratic Party abortion parties!Riiight. Clueless, as usual, Serr8d. And totally oblivious to the point I am making in my post, which was NOT to point fingers at one political faction or another but to place the blame on ALL of America. We reap what we sow.Oh and BTW, FOX News is now reporting that Loughner was a member of American Renaissance, a white supremacist, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic group connected to the John Birch Society.

  4. >@ Serr8d:Left or right, it doesn't really matter, does it? The question is: was he influenced by the extreme rhetoric that comes from the "conservative" side? He may be totally apolitical, but "2nd amendment solutions" and putting crosshairs on politicians triggered a psychotic reaction and caused him to act. We just don't know yet, but it seems very likely that he was influenced by the violent anti-govt rhetoric.Regardless of who "owns" the shooter in the political sense, the right wing of the political spectrum completely owns the extreme rhetoric. They use it ever single f**king day as a campaign tactic.

  5. >Serr8d is an effing moron with no sense of shame.I don't place blame equally on all Americans because only one side has made a fetish of guns and babbles about Second Amendment solutions.P.S. Remember Mooselini's target poster?They're just surveyor's symbols, people. ~

  6. >And an ex-band member posted on her Twitter that he was left-leaning. That ex-band member knew him 3 years ago, no? It's nice to live in a world where people don't change in their late teens and early 20s, especially if they're emotionally mixed up. (To which I feel I I should add "…even more than anyone in late adolescence.)

  7. >Doug:Loughner also listed Plato's "Republic," "Gulliver's Travels," "Alice In Wonderland" and "Through The Looking Glass" among his favorite books. Oh, and "Aesop's Fables." The entire list reads to me like some college reading list, "classics of Western Thought 101" or something.I mean, c'mon. Stop being idiotic, people. Interesting that some folks' first response is go on the defensive though.

  8. >@ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© : Yeah Palin herself called them "bullseyes" after the election…. Ooops.

  9. >SB: I second the idea that the "favorite" books list sounds like a college course list or even a high school list. One of my favorite political science professors in college was one who handed out recommended book lists to anyone who asked. The lists contained many books of different view points because she felt you should know what all (or many of) the POVs were. One list, for the graduate level course on ethnic politics, was 40 pages long.

  10. TAO

    >Hey, when I taught American Government at a very conservative state funded college our course textbook was "Democracy For The Few" At least look at it this way, Palin will be quiet for a couple of months, her reality show has not been renewed, Fox News will come out with a couple of "we don't condone violence" comments flags will fly at half mast, and someone will propose reinstating the Brady bill but want to call it the Gifford Bill this go round……..and in three months we will get all hot and bothered over the next act of carnage….Remember Virginia Tech…another crazy who went nuts….As long as democrats can bash republicans for their rhetoric then republicans can bash democrats for wanting to take away our freedoms…and the song never ends….

  11. >Remember Virginia Tech…another crazy who went nuts….Umm, that was in 2007, right? We don't have to go that far back. There's the nutter who shot up the Panama City, FL school board last month … there's the nutter who cut the gas-line to what he thought was a Congressman's house (it was the Congressman's brother's house); there's the nutter who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin Texas last March … there's the nutter who was following Glenn Beck's delusional rantings and about to assassinate employees of the Tides Foundation …. These are all from the past year.

  12. >It's hard to look at something as tragic and sad as yesterday's shooting and realize that there are people willing to politicize the motives without a clue as to the facts… What we don't know outweighs what we do as far as this sick young man is concerned.What we DO know is that no one on the left has advocated violence against right wing politicians since the Vietnam War protests of the early seventies, while the list of righties willing to evoke violent imagery in the past year alone would fill a book.One side has urged calm, rational approaches to problem solving, another has sent astroturf herds of misguided "patriots" to shout down members of Congress at town hall meetings, carrying signs that reference the President as Hitler, urged "second Amendment remedies" as solutions to voting booth failures, suggested secession as a rational resort to Federal oppression, carried automatic weapons to Presidential events, etc.When the imagery of one political party never suggests violence as a remedy, and the language of the other side makes it a regular part of their 'patriotic' speech, to whom should we assign blame for violent actions? Serr8d looks to a couple of books from this deluded young man's youtube page to devine the political motivations behind his actions, as if having listed "The Bible" might have exempted him from acts of irrational violence. What political views this kid had prior to yesterday's actions are totally irrelevant today. He was sick, obviously mentally ill, and no one stepped in with help in time to prevent this tragedy. But regardless of his political opinions, the fact remains that a certain segment of the broadcast media and certain members of the Republican Party have made it a habit to use violent metaphors and references as a regular part of their rhetoric. You don't see or hear that from the other side. What motivated this man's actions is beside the point. What motivates the next Jerod Loughner might be preventable, but only if we can refrain from making hate speech and violence a part of our acceptable dialogue. Will we be talking about the assassination of the President the next time this happens? That's my greatest fear, and it should be the greatest fear of anyone who loves this country, regardless of your political affiliation. An all out race war in America has been the goal of certain supremacist organizations for years, and this is the type of environment that makes that possible.We need to scale back our own rhetoric, use restraint, and challenge those who think this is some kind of game for debate points. Lives were lost, and that should be the focus of our attention.

  13. >Well said, Squatlo.Seems like every three or four months there's another incident and we go through this while exercise all over again. Last month it was the Florida school board shooting. Before that it was the Pentagon shooter, the guy who wanted to take out the Tides Foundation ….

  14. TAO

    >Sobe…forgot all about those…I am having trouble framing this as a left wing vs right wing thing…I am seeing more of an issue with alientation…Yes some of these nutters were right wing…the Tides Foundation guy was obviously a Beckite…This guy in Arizona was just a nut case…all of the people in Arizona are claiming that he was a liberal…but what exactly does that mean? In Arizona?

  15. >This isn't left wing vs right wing. It's nuts who can get their hands on guns being pushed over the edge. But that said, it's delusional to think that there's anything comparable to the hate speech one hears routinely from significant party leaders on the right to what one hears on the left.I mean cripes. Back in October Jon Stewart held a rally for civility. Meanwhile, the right is shooting at paper cutouts of Nancy Pelosi for its fundraisers. Hello?Let's not be too afraid to call it like we see it.

  16. >Squatio:See, here's the thing.Your comment included this:" carried automatic weapons to Presidential events, etc." so, it's obvious you're a liebralcommiegayster. AR-15's and allathem other guns just LOOK LIKE automatic weapons!! They're not AUTOMATIC WEAPONS and they can't shoot lots of people real fast, like 12 or 18, 6 of them fatally, in a matter of a few seconds. That's the trouble with liebrals, they don't know how gunz work. Thank GOD (the KKKristian KKKiller GOD, not that wimpfag JESUS guy) for folks like Serridiot who can edumicate us about gunz.If that 9 yo had been packin' she wouldn't be dead! 11tyone!!!