Today’s Gun FAIL

Damn:

FRESNO, Calif. — A man is dead after being shot in the head at a Northwest Fresno apartment on Friday, and the man accused of accidentally shooting him is under arrest.

Coroner’s officials have identified the victim as 65-year-old Gerald Perry.

The shooting happened around 7:30 p.m. at an apartment on Ashlan near Valentine. Fresno police believe 30-year-old Lemont Smith negligently discharged a semi-automatic handgun. The bullet went through the sliding glass door of the apartment and hit Perry.

Officers say the victim was sitting on a couch visiting his granddaughter at the time. Perry was rushed to Community Regional Medical Center and died Saturday afternoon.

Apparently we aren’t even safe from gun loons playing with our grandkids in our own homes. And by the way, the victim was apparently a Vietnam Veteran. Survive a war, live your life, have a family, only to be blown away by some idiot playing with his guns.

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  1. ssgmarkcr

    It is truly tragic to survive so much and to die in such a way. It is interesting that Mr. Smith appears to be a felon, and therefor a prohibited person even in my state, much less the gun control nirvana that is California.
    Perhaps the following is the reason for the mention of other gun related charges, say felon in possession?

    #1 REARREST/REVOKE PROBATION/ETC
    STATUTE: 1203.2 PC
    NOTES: PROBATION REVOKED NOT REINSTATED 03/09/07 (NF)

    #2 WILLFUL DISOBEDIENCE OF ANY PROCESS/ORDER ISSUED B
    STATUTE: 166(A)(4) PC
    BOND: $5000
    NOTES: COURT ORDERED DISMISSED 03/09/07 MSC DETJEN/DISM (NF)

    #3 INFLICT CORPORAL INJURY ON SPOUSE/COHABITANT
    STATUTE: 273.5(A) PC
    BOND: $25000
    NOTES: COURT ORDERED DISMISSED 03/09/07 MSC DETJEN/DISM (NF)

    #4 CONSPIRACY 2 OR MORE PERSONS TO COMMIT ANY CRIME
    STATUTE: 182(A)(1) PC
    NOTES: DISMISS MOTION 04/08/2002 MSC MINIER/DISMISS(MMERAS)

    #5 ATTEMPTED FELONIOUS TAKING OF ANOTHER PERSON’S PRO
    STATUTE: 664/211 PC
    NOTES: 2 YEARS PRISON CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED 03/09/07 MSC DETJEN/CONVICT (NF)

    http://california.arrests.org/Arrests/Lamont_Smith_8583988/

    • Amazing that he was still able to get a gun. Maybe we can have universal background checks for ALL gun purchases now? A little tightening of the ol’ regulations you guys are always fighting against? How about some laws related to idiots who don’t secure their weapons so they’re so easily stolen?

      etc. etc. etc.

      Oh and you know what else might help in this situation? MANDATORY LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR ALL GUN OWNERS.

  2. ssgmarkcr

    “Maybe we can have universal background checks for ALL gun purchases now?”
    California already has universal background checks. I’m guessing he didn’t obey the law when he acquired the gun.

    “Oh and you know what else might help in this situation? MANDATORY LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR ALL GUN OWNERS.”
    So you’re suggesting that when a prohibited person illegally acquires a gun, that he or she will purchase liability insurance? And do you think any insurance company will sell a policy to such a person?

    • You are absolutely correct that it is not possible in a free society to prohibit any type of behavior, or the selling of any substance or illegal weaponry. In my opinion, the force driving all of the out-of-control gun madness, murder and mayhem, accidental or otherwise in this country is the entire culture of lax gun laws and idiots like La Pierre and virtually every republican politician who wants to keep his job glorifying guns and weaponry. I think that we need to limit the manufacture of new weaponry. Buy back as many guns as possible and make guns and ammo both extremely scarce and costly. You know, like in Europe and Japan where gun violence is less prevalent. You teach your own toddlers to grow up with guns. You are a big part of the problem.

      • ssgmarkcr

        “You know, like in Europe and Japan where gun violence is less prevalent. You teach your own toddlers to grow up with guns. You are a big part of the problem.”

        To accomplish your vision, you would have to both repeal the second amendment and change the culture. Obviously, changing the culture is neither a short term or a sure thing.
        I’d recommend you read “The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy” by David Kopel. It brings out some interesting details regarding the effect of the individual cultures and how the gun laws intertwine with it.
        For example, there are some aspects of the Japanese criminal justice system that Americans would find quite intolerable. Such as there being no 36 hour rule guaranteeing the right of a defendant to appear before a judge to be charged within 36 hours of arrest.

      • The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of Vietnam veterans playing with their grandchildren.

        Evidently, at least according to the gun loonz, who are steeped in denial that there is EVER anything that can be done about these situations, except of course making sure there are MORE GUNZ. A concept that serves neither liberty nor the Constitution but conveniently serves the gun manufacturers and fearmongers.

        Thanks for playing!

    • The way to make sure that prohibited persons who illegally acquire guns through theft or otherwise is to have the prior owners insurance still on the hook until the new owner buys their own.

      • “The way to make sure that prohibited persons who illegally acquire guns through theft or otherwise is to have the prior owners insurance still on the hook until the new owner buys their own.”

        That would be a possible option if the firearm was legally acquired. We currently don’t know how Mr. Smith got his. There is already a law on the books prohibiting sales to someone you know to be prohibited person at the federal level. I wouldn’t be surprised if California has something similar at the state level.
        There are also some likely penalties for whoever gave him the gun if it was sold without going through an FFL as currently required by state law.

  3. Mary Wilson

    Hey, SB, could you post that poster on FB? It is the BEST one-sentence I have seen or heard about the gun lunacy!
    thanks.

  4. “I’d recommend you read “The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy” by David Kopel. It brings out some interesting details regarding the effect of the individual cultures and how the gun laws intertwine with it.’

    I looked at this:

    http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/Japan-Gun-Control-and-People-Control.htm

    “Gun Banners” and “Gun Controllers”. Yeah, he’s an open minded, unbiased academic.

    He also pushes AGW denialism and pretty much hates gummint. Just your kinda guy, I’m sure.

    I also looked at thjs:

    ““We have one overriding purpose and that’s to piss off nanny-ist who want to take our rights,” Independent Institute President Jon Caldara told the record crowd of almost 200. “Now remember, a year from now President [Barack] Obama might make all three activities of smoking, drinking and shooting completely illegal. This might be our very, very last opportunity.”

    (source: http://www.coloradoindependent.com/4008/shootin-smokin-and-sippin-with-the-independence-institute)

    is what passes for sane and reasonable discourse with his fellow shithead and Thinking Tanked President, Jon Caldera?

    And this:

    “But the lawsuit, which was filed earlier this month on behalf of 55 of Colorado’s 62 elected sheriffs, is mostly being funded not by grassroots donations but by the biggest Second Amendment rights group in the world*.

    The National Rifle Association.

    Dave Kopel, the Independence Institute’s resident Second Amendment expert, is the lead attorney on the lawsuit.

    And FOX31 Denver has found that Kopel has received $1.39 million in grant money from the N.R.A. Civil Rights Defense Fund between 2004 and 2011. The group continues to fund Kopel, although tax information from 2012 and 2013 isn’t yet available.

    “They’re the oldest civil rights organization in the United States,” Kopel told FOX31 Denver this week. “I’m a well-known Second Amendment expert and researcher. It would make sense that they would support what I do.”

    Paid shill for the NRA, it’s no wonder he’s your go-to-guy.

    Tommy Tancredo is also affiliated with these clowns. So add whackjob, anti-immigrant birther to their “brain trust”.

    Do you guys think that we don’t know how teh google works?

    I’d recommend that you read some of the thousands of autopsie/ME reports on children and other innocents–lotsa awesome wound ballistics info, there–killed by fuckheadz who can’t go through life without playing with a gun. And I’m not talking about deliberate cold blooded murder. I’m talking about insecure assholes playing with deadly weapons when they have no fucking clue about the consequences.

    * I actually think that they’re mistaken about that. The NRA is the biggest firearms and ammunition amnufacturers’ lobbying organization in the world.

    • Demo, see this? A Florida man accidentally shot himself in the buttocks yesterday when he dropped his gun while cleaning it.

      I keep hoping the Gun Loonz will Darwin themselves out of existence, except too many of them are taking out innocent bystanders, as the case of our Vietnam veteran makes evident.

    • “Do you guys think that we don’t know how teh google works?”

      My intent was never to deceive Commie. Considering that the name Kopel is a fairly well known name, just like Watts and Sugarman, to say nothing of Bloomberg. However, that doesn’t stop me from reading what they have to say. Have you read Giffords’s recent column? She made some interesting comments, some I agree with, though I disagree with her proposed solutions.
      And I’m well aware of the consequences of the use of firearms since I’ve spent the majority of my life in the military. If the data presented can survive the examination of a sceptic, then the data is good. However, if you refuse to examine the data, you’ve lost the debate.

  5. “Again, thanks for playing.”

    SB, as I’m sure you know, the President recently signed an executive order overriding the restrictions on such studies. I imagine many are in the works, but one sponsored by the CDC has been released,

    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

    “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997)”

    There are many interesting aspects to this study. I guess one question is how long are you intending to reference an article two years old, when it’s literally and figuratively old news?

    • It’s old news? Really? And yet your own quote cites the old studies — the last ones done before Congress and the NRA shut down all research.

      It won’t stop being old news until we have new information to counter the NRA propaganda. Now fuck off.

      • “It won’t stop being old news until we have new information to counter the NRA propaganda. Now fuck off”

        The old news is the no research is allowed thing. The President reversed that. Are you saying the study doesn’t count unless it supports your beliefs?

      • The president reversed part of that law by executive order one year ago. Research isn’t pulled out of thin air. I’m eagerly awaiting the new studies which will likely take YEARS to complete. In the meantime, anyone trying to argue that more gunz iz awesome based on “research” while at the same time trying to shout down anyone who says Congress outlawed such research has, IMHO, lost the argument.

        And I’m sorry but who elected you the arbiter of what’s “old news,” anyway? Not me. This is MY blog. I decide. Fuck off, troll.

  6. Hey Mark,

    I just thought it was kind of funny that you found your way over to Beale’s place. It was actually your remark regarding the Mayor of Pasadena that got me to swear off blogging over at Mike’s place. The regulars were just about driving me nuts with their inane and childish defense of the American gun culture. I think getting into gun blogging was probably one of the biggest time-wasters of my adult life as much as I used to enjoy it. Mike has pretty much radicalized me beyond the point of behaving like a gentleman in the face of such stubbornness and obstinacy. As far as I know I’m the only one in the entire crowd of b-lister antis who actually hates guns with a passion. Where do you guys get all the money for all of this nonsense? What kind of car do you drive? Right now I’m balancing planning for retirement with buying a SUV to last me the next twenty years. No way in fucking hell I could buy toy guns for my entire family, bullets and ammo and at the same time support the shooting range industry. I am setting aside two or three thousand for the kid’s bicycles and maybe nine or ten grand to buy our daughter a newer car.

    I don’t think I’ll be poking you in the eye too much. Blog on my brother. I did enjoy reading about Japanese gun laws, (h/t democommie and the wonderful author you cited.) I actually support private gun ownership. But it is fascinating the difference in the levels of violence between our two cultures. There are dozens of reasons why I could never live in Japan, even if I was a millionaire. The culture is almost entirely heterogeneous. Only an extremely iconoclastic American could ever fit in. Personal freedom and space almost non-existent. I think I’ll stick to my gun control Nirvana. Home sweet home.

    • ssgmarkcr

      Hi Junior,
      I’m sorry if I had a part in turning away from Mike’s excellent blog. It is an interesting place in that he is willing to permit comments from both sides of the debate.
      I don’t know your reasons to dislike guns, but everyone is welcome to their individual likes and dislikes. In fact, I have an old Army buddy who dislikes guns and has spoken of becoming more politically involved in her area. I also have another old friend who lives out your way in California if I recall correctly? We all have different political leanings, but still get along somehow.
      I think you overestimate my purchasing level in just about everything. I’m a full time student and haven’t kitted my kids up in the latest of tactical gear. I have hopes of getting a real job this summer, oldest daughter is more interested in One Direction rather than camouflage.
      I’m not sure if I’ll be able to stay as SB seems a bit displeased with me. No worries.

    • The culture is almost entirely heterogeneous.

      I meant homogeneous. I guess I am still a little bit homophobic having grown up in La Jolla and Pacific Beach in the 1970s and 1980s. I do drink homogenized milk.

  7. “My intent was never to deceive Commie.”

    Bullshit.
    Does this:

    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

    contain the quote that follows it. If it does, furnish the citation. If it doesn’t, wtf is your point.

    Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). ”

    What, no Mary Sue Lott? No numbers based on deep anal probing? Putting a quote like the one above in a comment as “evidence” is stupid.

    “And I’m well aware of the consequences of the use of firearms since I’ve spent the majority of my life in the military.”

    Classic argument from authority; your assertion is meaningless. I know LOTS of people who were in the military–including me–for varying periods of time, during both peace and war, and they never fired a weapon in combat. Regardless experience in a theater of war; unless you’ve been involved in shootings in civilian life your expertise on why those shootings occur and how to prevent them is, in a word, academic.

    People who deal with violent people day in and day out–cops–are hard pressed to make the right decision when the shit hits the fan–but most of the time, they DON’T shoot people. If cops were as trigger happy as people like the gunzloonz hero, Zimmerman, there would be thousands of “suicide by cop” incidents every month–there’s a lot of pantswetting fear in the daily grind of being a cop–especially in big cities and the inner cities–and yet the majority of confrontations between cops and really scary people don’t end up with dead people on either side. Just a fact of life that you and your gunzloonz palz like to overlook.

    Tell Greggy Camp, next time you’re over to MikeB’s place, “Eat shit and die” for me, will ya?

    Kthxbi.

  8. ssgmarkcr

    “Does this:
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1
    contain the quote that follows it. If it does, furnish the citation. If it doesn’t, wtf is your point.”

    Commie, the quote I used comes from page 15 of the study at the link I supplied. References are part of the document.
    Zimmerman was acquitted, much like OJ. However satisfied, or not with either verdict, the jury has spoken, and we must respect that. Its part of the presumption of innocence.
    As for police shootings, you are correct that some officers, especially in high crime areas go through many stressful encounters and are able to resolve events without shooting anyone. However some aren’t so successful,

    “Of the 20 fatal shootings by Albuquerque police between 2009 and 2012, “a majority of them were unreasonable and violated the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” a U.S. Department of Justice investigation concluded Thursday.”
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/10/3425363/feds-find-albuquerque-police-used-unconstitutional-force-in-spate-of-fatal-shootings/

    I have a very good friend who was an LAPD officer during the riots that followed the Rodney King fiasco, so I have a great respect for law enforcement, that doesn’t negate civilians who defend themselves properly with firearms.

  9. “Commie, the quote I used comes from page 15 of the study at the link I supplied. References are part of the document.”

    It didn’t come up on an initial or subsequent search. The search result is that it’s in there somewhere. If you’re going to quote something that doesn’t have a better search function in a 100+ page document, people are gonna think that you’re jerking them around.

    Aside from that, the quote doesn’t support the notion that there are millions of DGU’s per year. Lott’s study was a joke, he couldn’t furnish his data–total bushleague bullshit. Kleck’s study has not been widely accepted by anybody who understands statistical sampling. And the Kleck&Lott dog’n’pony show is what gunzloonz hang their hats on.

    There are numerous peer reviewed studies in the U.S. and abroad that paint a much less rosy picture of Joe Blowthemofosaway’s heroic gunzslingin’.

    ““Of the 20 fatal shootings by Albuquerque police between 2009 and 2012, “a majority of them were unreasonable and violated the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” a U.S. Department of Justice investigation concluded Thursday.”

    Right. You gonna make a nice pie with those cherries? Albuquerque’s crime rate is running about 150-200% of the U.S. average during that period. Lots of very pissed off people in that city, it’s been that way for a while, now, since about the mid 1800’s if memory serves.

    Albuquerque, like a number of other U.S. city PD’s has a reputation for being brutal and repressive. I don’t doubt that there are numerous cops acting badly. 20 people killed by LEO in 4 years is nothing to laugh about. Otoh, we have this:

    “In the five years before the law’s approval, Florida averaged 12 justifiable homicides a year, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. In the six years since, the average is 33.” (source: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-27/news/os-ed-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-no-032712-20120326_1_castle-doctrine-law-enforcement-motel-room)

    So, 21 shooting deaths PER YEAR in FL. by civilians with no legal training, prolly little or no firearms training and a genuine sense of entitlement. I’ll take my chances with an armed cop over some fucking yahoo with a vigilante complex any day.

    And, when a cop shoots somebody, it’s always, always, always investigated and scrutinized by DA’s, various public and private advocacy groups and sometimes the U.S. DoJ. Do cops get a pass? sometimes, I’m sure that they do. But they get dragged through the sausage maker, regardless.

    “Zimmerman was acquitted, much like OJ. However satisfied, or not with either verdict, the jury has spoken, and we must respect that.”

    Baloney. We must ACCEPT it, respect has nothing to do with it. George Zimmerman is a fucking scumbag–just like O.J. Simpson–and just like O.J. Simpson, he got away with murder.

    • ssgmarkcr

      “In the five years before the law’s approval, Florida averaged 12 justifiable homicides a year, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. In the six years since, the average is 33.”

      An interesting op-ed piece Commie, as was the opposing view. Something more informative is the database published using the same data here,
      http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/ftlaudjustified/ftlaudjustifiable_list.php
      What is interesting to note that at the same time that civilian justified homicides rose, police justifiable homicides to an even larger jump. As you can see on the graphic I cited, in 2006 there were about 20 justifiable police homicides and from 2006 through 2010, justifiable police homicides stayed between 50 and 60 per year.
      The best way to illustrate this is to refer to a 2012 Florida Department of Law Enforcement press release,

      “Seventy felons were killed by police officers, compared to 56 in 2010. The number of felons killed by private citizens increased to 48, compared to 40 in 2010.”
      http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/News/2012/April-2012/FDLE-announces-lowest-crime-rate-in-41-years.aspx

      Note that the increase was much higher for law enforcement than civilians. Also especially note the use of the word felons in the report.

      • “http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/missouri-mayor-dan-clevenger-resigns-anti-semitic-comments.html’

        Right. WTF is it with you people. Gunzloonz kill people who “dis” them in a movie theater and you want to equate that with what the cops do. Do you have any fucking idea what the difference is between cause and correlation?

  10. ssgmarkcr

    “Not me. This is MY blog. I decide. Fuck off, troll.”

    So SB, are you just not happy with my comment? Or are you formally asking me to leave your blog? If you wish no debate, and ask me to, I’ll leave.
    I originally came here because Mikeb reposted some items from your blog that looked interesting. Up to you though.

  11. deep

    Wait, is ssgmarker Mark Crist?

    Why the fuck do you keep changing your username unless with the intent to troll? Stop with this bullshit pretending to be serious. Considering you’ve coming in here with nothing substantive to add and constantly shifting the goalposts every time someone challenges your weak positions, I’d say you’re a textbook definition of a troll.

    • “Wait, is ssgmarker Mark Crist?”

      Sorry, yes, I seem to be messing up on the name thing. I’ll try to get that figured out. Let’s see, the original post was blaming the gun owner for an accidental shooting and I brought up that he seems to be a felon and therefor prohibited from owning a firearm. How exactly not substantive? The goalposts have been usually moved in responses to my comments.

      • So the fact that the gun owner was a felon had something to do with it accidentally firing? Don’t think so.

        Again, how did a felon get a gun in the first place? One of the dozens of ways some folks have been trying prevent? Universal background checks, mandatory rules about storage to prevent theft, banning online sales, tracking sales? And please, y’all can just stop with the ridiculous fearmongering about a national gun registry, which has been the excuse used to quash all reasonable ideas designed to keep guns out of the hands of felons in the first place.

  12. gunzloonztrollz be gunzloonztrollz.

    One of the distinguishing characteristics of gunzloonz is that they adamantly refuse to separate the everyday firearms owner (the vast majority of the people who have firearms), themselves (people who may know a lot about firearms but conflate that knowledge with having a genuine understanding about how the proliferation of weapons affect society) and the dangerous assholes with firearms.

    To a true gunzloon, the problem hasn’t been, is not now and never will be their ridiculous paranoia about confiscation; their complete lack of self-awareness or their utter contempt for laws that they see as inconvenient or onerous.

    It’s a way of thinking that is shared with the KKKonservative ReiKKKwing of the GOP and REALLY shared with TeabagNation.

    • Apparently S.E. Cupp when on a tirade on whatever TV show she’s on today. They really are quite intimidated by the notion of some very modest, sensible public safety laws.

      Of course, very modest health insurance reform caused them to lose their shit, too. Go figure.

      • Wow, I just found one piece about it. The comments are totally, “WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”. These idiots are absolutely sure of two things. The first is that the army would just turn around and join them in their righteous cause. The second is that they could settle the hash of an oppressive gummint with their AR’s and Glocks.

        By the time that they found out that shooting at posters of dem pols that they hate is a little different from taking on a trained military, they’d be, for the most part, dead. Or they could go all guerilla and get their whole community wiped out–the U.S. military has had a practice of killin’ em all for some while now.

  13. S.E. Cupp, the fAkeTHEIST? She’s a gunzloon, too?